Whey Protein for Muscle and Glutamine for More Mass Gains?
November 5th, 2009
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by Mike T Nelson · Filed Under: nutrition
Q and A Time: How Much Protein Do You Need to Build Muscle? Is Whey Protein the Best? Is Glutamine Good?
I have been looking to get some stuff from Protein Factory per your recommendation for post workout and I was wondering if you could point me in the right direction. A lot of the stuff just confuses me past the regular whey, casein, isolate, concentrate, hydrolysate… So that would be a big help. And is it worth getting the glutamine and creatine dropped in with it?
Just curious, you know more about this one than i do so any info is appreciated!
Dustin Schlichting BS, ATC, CSCS, USAW
Answer:
Hi there Dustin! Thanks for the comment, and yes, it can get VERY confusing and few people want to sit down and read tons o’ research on new types or protein. Ok, I do, and I will put my hand down now. Add to the confusion is very supplement company telling you that their gold micro filtered subfractioned protein from organic goats that live up in the Himalaya is the most anabolic thing you can buy for $90 a bottle since it will add 27 pounds of muscle in 6 weeks! Ok, so we all know that is bogus! There is ZERO literature to support it.
Back to the Future: Got Protein?

Protein is good. Get some first before you go bananas trying to figure out which is best. Cover the basics first. Protein has been a key thing for strength trainers for decades. Make sure you actually LIKE it as the best protein on the planet if it tastes like you are drinking week old cottage cheese gone bad will not do you any good. You have to consume it first before it can have any effect.
Once you get that down, there are some great proteins that work well, taste good and won’t break your bank.
Got Protein, Now What? Do I Need Whey Protein?
For post training my favorite is some type of whey protein. Whey protein has tons of benefits for building muscle and my favorite is CFM Whey as it is high quality and tastes good. If you add enough carbs and sweetner, the Hydrolyzed 1400 is good and does not have any lactose either. With athletes over the years, I’ve found it to be the most non allergenic of almost all proteins too (rice protein would be high on that list too). On its own, Hyrdolyzed 1400 (and Hydrolyzed 520 is worse) tastes like crap and mixes just as bad. I get it with vanilla and sucrolose and it is fine, but most don’t care for it. A hydrolyzed (or hyrdo) protein is one that is broken into very small pieces. The smaller the number, the more hydrolysis, thus the smaller the pieces (measured in daltons). The theory goes that the smaller the proteins, the faster it is absorbed and should spike protein synthesis (building muscle processes) higher. Not sure I am completely sold that yet, but the protein seems to work well; esp if you have allergies.
A slightly cheaper whey protein is Isochill and tastes pretty good too. I have used the TriFX whey and it is good also with a slightly bitter taste if you get it plain with no flavor or sweetner. Can’t say I notice any huge difference or have found any lit. to show a massive difference to all the different types of whey. Buy a good high quality one (such as the ones listed above) and add about 20-40 grams around your training time and you are set.
Total Amount of Protein?
Total protein should be around 1 gram per pound of body weight. Yes I know there is not one piece of literature that comes up with that EXACT amount, but it is pretty close and I like easy math. Currently i weigh about 215 lbs, so I shoot for about 215 grams of protein per day. If I get 200 or 240 grams I don’t worry about it. 6 meals a day with about 30-40 grams works great. No, your kidneys will NOT explode and fly across the room with that amount if you are healthy. If you want some more benefits of protein, see this newsletter from Dr. John Berardi here JB answers “Is there a limit to protein?”
I love the Precision Nutrition system and use it all the time!
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Creatine?
You can add creatine to it directly, but I just add it on its own and I buy my creatine from Protein Factory also. 5 gm per day is about all you need. Don’t waste your money on other forms of creatine; just go wtih creatine monohydrate. Hundreds of studies to show it is safe and effective. I have personally been using creatine monohydrate since my graduate work at Michigan Tech in about 1995, back when I was in college the first go round – ha! You can take some time off from it, which is a good idea with any supplement, but taking a small amount on most training days should be just fine.
Glutamine, Don’t Believe the Hype?

Glutamine is worthless. There, I said it. Most of the studies done to show its “anti catabolic” properties were done initially on burn patients, who break down muscle at an incredibly rate; not a rate seen by even the most hard training athlete. I have not seen one study yet that shows glutamine to help your average gym rat. If you find one in trained athletes, please post it below as I would seriously like to read it. Heck, if it works I will report on it here.
Evil Doers of the Gut

You can make an argument that glutamine may help gut health, but I would go with a pro-biotic first then and maybe some special types of fiber (like FOS). Here is a tip, if you or your athletes you work with have been on an antibiotic in the past 1-2 years I would automatically have them use a probiotic. While antibiotics have there place in medicine, they are like indescriminate killers and they wipe out tons of good and bad bacteria in your gut. If your gut is left on its own, the bad guys can start to take over. Kind of like the US in the Middle East. We could wipe out a whole area, but it may be built up to more “evil doers”; so we would be better off seeding it with new buildings, security and returning it to the people that will take care of it and keep out the evil doers.
Protein Factory
Click on the link below to get all the great products from Protein Factory. ff you use the links here I make a whole 4%, but every bit helps. I lost count of how many supplement companies I have turned down offers from since I feel that clients hire me to provide the best to them, not sell them some supplement that I make 50% commission on and they pay for it. I have not disrespect to anyone that works or sell other supplements, it is just a personal decision that I made only for myself. If you find a company that you believe it and it helps your athletes, go for it.
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This can be a confusing area, so drop me some comment love with your thoughts on this article and any questions you have.
Rock on
Mike N




















[...] Original post by Mike T Nelson [...]
The bit about glutamine is very interesting to me. I would love to hear your take on any and/or all of the following:
BCAAs (I did see your video with mc so maybe this is covered)
greens+
Fish oil
Power Drive
And even more so (if I had to choose 1), plain old chocolate milk for post-workout (say, versus Surge).
I am a big fan of PN & Berardi as well, but when it comes to these supps (which he often endorses) I still wonder.
Thanks for the comment David! Yes, I am a big fan of Precision Nutrition too!
BCAAs
May help if you are cutting calories as something to use between meals. Not much evidence of this in the literature though, but I have used them towards the end of a cutting cycle and it seemed to help me not feel quite as much like dog poo.
Otherwise if you get enough protein, I would not bother adding extra.
Greens+
I have used it in the past, but the Greens product in the US is different than Canada as they are owned by different companies. The product listing is almost the same though. I have used them in the past and Biotest “superfood” seems to work well, but hard to say really.
Fish Oil
YES! Fish oil is great! Highly recommend it.
Power Drive
Not tons of data on it, but it seem to help if a double dose is used. The data on tyrosine is really split.
Surge vs choc milk
If you can tolerate choc. milk, there is lit. to support it and it is cheap! Surge works well and is normally very well tolerated. I use a similar blend from protein factory at a much much lower price than Surge. Or you can add 1 scoop of Surge for flavor and then 2 scoops of the protein factory blend.
Hope that helps out!
rock on
Mike N
Big Mike!
Great post as usual except this comment “If you can tolerate choc. milk” in the response above. Choc. milk is nectar of the Gods…don’t forget it!
I had a client send me this site and preach the evils of meat protein to me. Can you take a look and give a quick response?
http://www.drfuhrman.com/
Thanks and again…great post…I’ll be sending this one to a few clients!
Live with Strength,
Jason
Um, yes, choc milk is awesome! hehe. I agree with you!
Spent about 10 min on the site and seems pretty cool and I tend to agree with his points.
Yes, feel free to send this one to everyone you know!
Keep an eye here as next week I will have a post on intermittent fasting and my answer will probably surprise ya.
rock on
Mike T Nelson
Thanks for the kinds words
rock on
Mike T Nelson